HIPPIAS:I will answer,as you request me;and do you ask whatever you like.

SOCRATES:I am very desirous,Hippias,of examining this question,as to which are the better--those who err voluntarily or involuntarily?And if you will answer me,I think that I can put you in the way of approaching the subject:You would admit,would you not,that there are good runners?

HIPPIAS:Yes.

SOCRATES:And there are bad runners?

HIPPIAS:Yes.

SOCRATES:And he who runs well is a good runner,and he who runs ill is a bad runner?

HIPPIAS:Very true.

SOCRATES:And he who runs slowly runs ill,and he who runs quickly runs well?

HIPPIAS:Yes.

SOCRATES:Then in a race,and in running,swiftness is a good,and slowness is an evil quality?

HIPPIAS:To be sure.

SOCRATES:Which of the two then is a better runner?He who runs slowly voluntarily,or he who runs slowly involuntarily?

HIPPIAS:He who runs slowly voluntarily.

SOCRATES:And is not running a species of doing?

HIPPIAS:Certainly.

SOCRATES:And if a species of doing,a species of action?

HIPPIAS:Yes.

SOCRATES:Then he who runs badly does a bad and dishonourable action in a race?

HIPPIAS:Yes;a bad action,certainly.

SOCRATES:And he who runs slowly runs badly?

HIPPIAS:Yes.

SOCRATES:Then the good runner does this bad and disgraceful action voluntarily,and the bad involuntarily?

HIPPIAS:That is to be inferred.

SOCRATES:Then he who involuntarily does evil actions,is worse in a race than he who does them voluntarily?

HIPPIAS:Yes,in a race.

SOCRATES:Well,but at a wrestling match--which is the better wrestler,he who falls voluntarily or involuntarily?

HIPPIAS:He who falls voluntarily,doubtless.

SOCRATES:And is it worse or more dishonourable at a wrestling match,to fall,or to throw another?

HIPPIAS:To fall.

SOCRATES:Then,at a wrestling match,he who voluntarily does base and dishonourable actions is a better wrestler than he who does them involuntarily?

HIPPIAS:That appears to be the truth.

SOCRATES:And what would you say of any other bodily exercise--is not he who is better made able to do both that which is strong and that which is weak--that which is fair and that which is foul?--so that when he does bad actions with the body,he who is better made does them voluntarily,and he who is worse made does them involuntarily.

HIPPIAS:Yes,that appears to be true about strength.

SOCRATES:And what do you say about grace,Hippias?Is not he who is better made able to assume evil and disgraceful figures and postures voluntarily,as he who is worse made assumes them involuntarily?

HIPPIAS:True.

SOCRATES:Then voluntary ungracefulness comes from excellence of the bodily frame,and involuntary from the defect of the bodily frame?

HIPPIAS:True.

SOCRATES:And what would you say of an unmusical voice;would you prefer the voice which is voluntarily or involuntarily out of tune?

HIPPIAS:That which is voluntarily out of tune.

SOCRATES:The involuntary is the worse of the two?

HIPPIAS:Yes.

SOCRATES:And would you choose to possess goods or evils?

HIPPIAS:Goods.

SOCRATES:And would you rather have feet which are voluntarily or involuntarily lame?

HIPPIAS:Feet which are voluntarily lame.

SOCRATES:But is not lameness a defect or deformity?

HIPPIAS:Yes.

SOCRATES:And is not blinking a defect in the eyes?

HIPPIAS:Yes.

SOCRATES:And would you rather always have eyes with which you might voluntarily blink and not see,or with which you might involuntarily blink?

HIPPIAS:I would rather have eyes which voluntarily blink.

SOCRATES:Then in your own case you deem that which voluntarily acts ill,better than that which involuntarily acts ill?

HIPPIAS:Yes,certainly,in cases such as you mention.

SOCRATES:And does not the same hold of ears,nostrils,mouth,and of all the senses--those which involuntarily act ill are not to be desired,as being defective;and those which voluntarily act ill are to be desired as being good?

HIPPIAS:I agree.

SOCRATES:And what would you say of instruments;--which are the better sort of instruments to have to do with?--those with which a man acts ill voluntarily or involuntarily?For example,had a man better have a rudder with which he will steer ill,voluntarily or involuntarily?

HIPPIAS:He had better have a rudder with which he will steer ill voluntarily.